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		<title>By: Tim Allik</title>
		<link>http://doughaslam.com/2010/01/21/do-journalists-make-bad-pr-people/comment-page-1/#comment-5876</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Allik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tell me of a story that has only one side. I can&#039;t think of one myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tell me of a story that has only one side. I can&#8217;t think of one myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Hunter Boyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hunter Boyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for another thought-provoking post, Doug. I have to admit, a lot of this debate seems really outdated to me -- and that&#039;s coming from a gray hair. Maybe it&#039;s because, as a journo graduate, I started in specialized publishing rather than as a general reporter. My work as editor was invaluable in making the move to content marketing and agency life, where PR plays a vital role alongside social media, blogging, and other communication and marketing channels that shouldn&#039;t even be broken out separately. There is so much overlap, and the artificial barriers continue to fall away, that in the end it really comes down to getting ideas and stories out -- the common ground for journos and PR.  

Having worked with several hacks and flacks, and hacks-turned-flacks, it&#039;s often the ideal fit because they understand the needs and role and certain markets so well, that they can get creative and deliver more than just a one-off story pitch. Maybe I&#039;ve just been lucky to work with some top talents, but that approach seems like it&#039;s built to last, whether it&#039;s dealing with top-tier media, up-and-coming bloggers or anyone in between.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for another thought-provoking post, Doug. I have to admit, a lot of this debate seems really outdated to me &#8212; and that&#8217;s coming from a gray hair. Maybe it&#8217;s because, as a journo graduate, I started in specialized publishing rather than as a general reporter. My work as editor was invaluable in making the move to content marketing and agency life, where PR plays a vital role alongside social media, blogging, and other communication and marketing channels that shouldn&#8217;t even be broken out separately. There is so much overlap, and the artificial barriers continue to fall away, that in the end it really comes down to getting ideas and stories out &#8212; the common ground for journos and PR.  </p>
<p>Having worked with several hacks and flacks, and hacks-turned-flacks, it&#8217;s often the ideal fit because they understand the needs and role and certain markets so well, that they can get creative and deliver more than just a one-off story pitch. Maybe I&#8217;ve just been lucky to work with some top talents, but that approach seems like it&#8217;s built to last, whether it&#8217;s dealing with top-tier media, up-and-coming bloggers or anyone in between.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Haslam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Haslam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terry-- I do agree that part of the &quot;media relations mill&quot; focus is client-driven- that will take time to change.

Dara-- exactly. Lots of transferable skills, most prominently the ability to communicate.

Tim-- I would even say sometimes there is only one side to a story, or that the &quot;other side&quot; is manufactured and irrelevant (sometimes).

And I was definitely angling on the naivete of assuming journalism is objective. Good journalism covers many facets of a story (if they exist), but even great journalism is not impartial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry&#8211; I do agree that part of the &#8220;media relations mill&#8221; focus is client-driven- that will take time to change.</p>
<p>Dara&#8211; exactly. Lots of transferable skills, most prominently the ability to communicate.</p>
<p>Tim&#8211; I would even say sometimes there is only one side to a story, or that the &#8220;other side&#8221; is manufactured and irrelevant (sometimes).</p>
<p>And I was definitely angling on the naivete of assuming journalism is objective. Good journalism covers many facets of a story (if they exist), but even great journalism is not impartial.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Allik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Allik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The professional titles used in media these days are anachronisms. What is a PR executive, anyway? And what exactly is a journalist? 

Is someone who rewrites AP copy and reads it in front of a camera a journalist? 

Is someone who produces podcasts and video and written bylines for a client a PR executive? 

It&#039;s naive to assume that journalists don&#039;t take sides on some level, however subtle, in the stories they report.  

The conventional dogma among mainstream pundits that there are &quot;two sides to every story&quot; is even more of a stretch. Usually there are many more than two sides.  

You can either tell a good story or you cannot. It&#039;s a human skill that remains unautomated and uncommoditized. I&#039;ve never met a talented hack or flack who wasn&#039;t able to spin a good yarn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The professional titles used in media these days are anachronisms. What is a PR executive, anyway? And what exactly is a journalist? </p>
<p>Is someone who rewrites AP copy and reads it in front of a camera a journalist? </p>
<p>Is someone who produces podcasts and video and written bylines for a client a PR executive? </p>
<p>It&#8217;s naive to assume that journalists don&#8217;t take sides on some level, however subtle, in the stories they report.  </p>
<p>The conventional dogma among mainstream pundits that there are &#8220;two sides to every story&#8221; is even more of a stretch. Usually there are many more than two sides.  </p>
<p>You can either tell a good story or you cannot. It&#8217;s a human skill that remains unautomated and uncommoditized. I&#8217;ve never met a talented hack or flack who wasn&#8217;t able to spin a good yarn.</p>
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		<title>By: Dara Bell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dara Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not think that journalists make bad PR.  Agencies in London look for journalists influence crosses professions and the obvious peoplising skills in each are tranferable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not think that journalists make bad PR.  Agencies in London look for journalists influence crosses professions and the obvious peoplising skills in each are tranferable.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry F</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This one really got me thinking about why so many PR programs in the high tech and consumer tech space focus mostly on traditional PR. I thunk and I thunk and I thunk. And then it hit me. 

When an agency pitches a piece of business, more than likely they are pitching it to a gray hair (I am one myself, so just cool your jets if you are insulted). These decision making gray hairs usually don&#039;t understand anything but media relations, and the idea of actual public relations is foreign to them. 

So the agency has to cater most pitches to traditional media first and foremost, with social media/direct customer PR as a secondary attack. They need to do this to win, and the cycle starts again where traditional media takes precedence and PR gets addressed if budget allows after everything else. 

Agencies that get it (shameless plug for my old stomping ground LPP) are changing things. But I don&#039;t think the ultra focus on media relations versus public relations will change anytime soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This one really got me thinking about why so many PR programs in the high tech and consumer tech space focus mostly on traditional PR. I thunk and I thunk and I thunk. And then it hit me. </p>
<p>When an agency pitches a piece of business, more than likely they are pitching it to a gray hair (I am one myself, so just cool your jets if you are insulted). These decision making gray hairs usually don&#8217;t understand anything but media relations, and the idea of actual public relations is foreign to them. </p>
<p>So the agency has to cater most pitches to traditional media first and foremost, with social media/direct customer PR as a secondary attack. They need to do this to win, and the cycle starts again where traditional media takes precedence and PR gets addressed if budget allows after everything else. </p>
<p>Agencies that get it (shameless plug for my old stomping ground LPP) are changing things. But I don&#8217;t think the ultra focus on media relations versus public relations will change anytime soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Haslam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Haslam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed-- I think it goes more to thinking about PR as a &quot;communications&quot; profession, and embracing the way that profession is changing. A writer like Goldberg doesn&#039;t have to care about that, because he is media. There&#039;s nothing wrong with that until you try to define the industry, which is beyond his scope.

Joe (an old colleague)- thanks for coming by- you have provided much sharper advice than I about what to consider if making the leap.

Something I didn&#039;t mention above- some of the jobs out there are writing- content creation- even &quot;reporting&quot; and *gasp* &quot;blogging&quot; for hire. It&#039;s a new world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed&#8211; I think it goes more to thinking about PR as a &#8220;communications&#8221; profession, and embracing the way that profession is changing. A writer like Goldberg doesn&#8217;t have to care about that, because he is media. There&#8217;s nothing wrong with that until you try to define the industry, which is beyond his scope.</p>
<p>Joe (an old colleague)- thanks for coming by- you have provided much sharper advice than I about what to consider if making the leap.</p>
<p>Something I didn&#8217;t mention above- some of the jobs out there are writing- content creation- even &#8220;reporting&#8221; and *gasp* &#8220;blogging&#8221; for hire. It&#8217;s a new world.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Maglitta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Maglitta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good topic and critique, Doug. 

My brief (18 month) experience as journo-turned PR guy was this: 

Intellectually the work is pretty  similar. The biggest challenge in transition, I found, was attitude and values. Specifically,when you&#039;re a journalist, at whatever level, you&#039;re used to a certain sense of power (deserved or not). As a PR person, like it or not, you are in a service business. As someone once told me, there are two kinds of jobs: Those that give  people headaches and get headaches. Journalists are former, PR is the latter.

Concretely, you will go from interviewing a hotshot CEO to being his minion. You better be comfortable with this or it won&#039;t work. Be honest.  

Second, in journalism, truth (in theory) rules. In PR, you are more like a lawyer, an advocate for your client. Not saying you lie (I never did) but have to be comfortable with sins of omission. I made peace by deciding to tell the best story in the most favorable light.    

Other big difference is loss of freedom. In an agency, especially, every minute is tracked and billable. That is quite different than the journo life. 

Finally, switchers must consider if they are willing to be &quot;tainted&quot; for future journalism jobs if/when the industry revives. 

It&#039;s a big move. Think hard and talk to people before you leap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good topic and critique, Doug. </p>
<p>My brief (18 month) experience as journo-turned PR guy was this: </p>
<p>Intellectually the work is pretty  similar. The biggest challenge in transition, I found, was attitude and values. Specifically,when you&#8217;re a journalist, at whatever level, you&#8217;re used to a certain sense of power (deserved or not). As a PR person, like it or not, you are in a service business. As someone once told me, there are two kinds of jobs: Those that give  people headaches and get headaches. Journalists are former, PR is the latter.</p>
<p>Concretely, you will go from interviewing a hotshot CEO to being his minion. You better be comfortable with this or it won&#8217;t work. Be honest.  </p>
<p>Second, in journalism, truth (in theory) rules. In PR, you are more like a lawyer, an advocate for your client. Not saying you lie (I never did) but have to be comfortable with sins of omission. I made peace by deciding to tell the best story in the most favorable light.    </p>
<p>Other big difference is loss of freedom. In an agency, especially, every minute is tracked and billable. That is quite different than the journo life. </p>
<p>Finally, switchers must consider if they are willing to be &#8220;tainted&#8221; for future journalism jobs if/when the industry revives. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a big move. Think hard and talk to people before you leap.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Nicholson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Nicholson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You make some great points, Doug. First of all, the assumption that everyone posting online content is &quot;underpaid, undertrained,&quot; is simply naive.  Credibility will seek its own level (in fact, that&#039;s already begun). The editorial processes that have given rise to trusted mainstream news sources will be applied to online media. As with all other media, the best PR people will be pitching to the most credible sources.  
And I couldn&#039;t agree more about the widespread notion that PR is all about media relations. Everything you mention and so much more goes into effective stakeholder relationship building.  It&#039;s a completely different set of skills than those required to create credible news stories. But the smart journalists who make the switch to PR will figure that out pretty quickly and learn those skills. As you obviously have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You make some great points, Doug. First of all, the assumption that everyone posting online content is &#8220;underpaid, undertrained,&#8221; is simply naive.  Credibility will seek its own level (in fact, that&#8217;s already begun). The editorial processes that have given rise to trusted mainstream news sources will be applied to online media. As with all other media, the best PR people will be pitching to the most credible sources.<br />
And I couldn&#8217;t agree more about the widespread notion that PR is all about media relations. Everything you mention and so much more goes into effective stakeholder relationship building.  It&#8217;s a completely different set of skills than those required to create credible news stories. But the smart journalists who make the switch to PR will figure that out pretty quickly and learn those skills. As you obviously have.</p>
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